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[Brandon:] Greetings everyone. My name is Brandon
Coy, and today I am interviewing my brother in

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Christ. He works with the Review and Herald, and
he’s going to inform us on some current events, on

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what’s taking place.

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[Interviewee:] At this time I would ask if we could
have a word of prayer.

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Father in heaven, be with us I pray. Lord have mercy
on us and Your people. I pray, Father, for the

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leadership of our church who are making decisions
that have eternal consequences. I also pray, Lord,

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for the workers, and the people in the church upon
whom have been given great light. So be with us,

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Lord, now as we speak and may our words be uplifting
and encouraging, and yet may they be truthful, and

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yet may they be a cry even as you told us to do in
Isaiah 58. In Jesus name we pray, amen.

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I want to talk today about some of the things that
are going on with the publishing work. Something

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very important is happening with our two publishing
houses here in North America. But before I do, I

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want to read a quote. This is taken from the book
Seventh Volume of the Testimonies. The chapter is in

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Section Four, The Publishing Work, and it says:
Never let it be forgotten that these institutions

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are to co-operate with the ministry of the delegates
of heaven. They are among the agencies represented

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by the flying angel “in the midst of heaven, having
the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that

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dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and
kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud

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voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour
of His judgment is come.” Revelation 14:6, 7.

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From them is to go forth the terrible denunciation:
“Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city,

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because she made all nations drink of the wine of
the wrath of her fornication.” Verse 8.

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It says: They are represented by the third angel
that followed, “saying with a loud voice, If any man

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worship the beast and his image, and receive his
mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall

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drink of the wine of the wrath of God.” Verses 9,
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And in a large degree through our publishing houses
is to be accomplished the work of that other angel

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who comes down from heaven with great power and who
lightens the earth with his glory.

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Solemn is the responsibility that rests upon our
houses of publication. Those who conduct these

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institutions, those who edit the periodicals and
prepare the books,

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standing as they do in the light of God’s purpose,
and called to give warning to the world, are held by

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God accountable for the souls of their fellow men.

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And so I wanted to share these things because I see
what’s happening with the publishing work and it’s

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very frightening. Now I’m not denouncing anyone, I’m
not saying anybody is a bad person or that they are

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evil or done anything. I don’t believe that at all.
I do believe that the men are trying to do the very

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best they can, but what is happening with the... The
Review and Herald is going to stop printing books.

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Now they’re going to continue with the publishing
association but they’re not going to be printing any

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more books, The Great Controversy, The Desire of
Ages, any of these things. The printing house is

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going to close. But they’re going to remain a
publishing association in an office at the G.C. But

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that’s not only the worst part. Now we’re going to
have a printing house, but it’s going to be the

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Pacific Press, and the Pacific Press is going to be
doing all the publishing and it’s going to be

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absorbed by the North American Division.

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And, you know, these things are of course subject to
vote, but it’s a done deal. June 17, 2014. You know,

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both get to vote. And so both institutions are being
absorbed by the church at different levels. The

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Review and Herald—financially they’ve been in a
decline for many years and the leadership, no matter

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how strong they’ve tried they’ve not been able to
save it. And slowly—but slowly it’s been dying a

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death. And now, it’s just going to close up. And I
don’t know how the denomination—yes, we have other

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publishing houses in other countries, but here in
North America we’re not going to be able to—I mean

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unless we go to a third party to have them publish
our books. We’re going to have the Pacific Press,

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but if anything happens to the Pacific Press—if
there is a fire at the Pacific Press, there will be

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nothing that can be done for publishing unless God
raises up other publishing institutions. You know,

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the Pacific Press, the challenge with them is that
they financially have gone, starting last October,

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to closing all of the ABC’s that they have control
over, because they were in a financial decline. And

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yes, Barnes & Noble and all these other big houses
that sold books—they’ve been closing like the Tower

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Records closed down because people are buying things
off-line and because people can get things—you know,

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things have changed. But our work is not the work of
the world. Our work is ministerial. You know, and

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the thing’s that maybe God can’t bless it because we
haven’t been doing it the way He said.

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[Brandon:] Now let’s ask a question before you go
further. [Interviewee:] Sure.

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[Brandon:] What does this mean for colporteurs?

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[Interviewee:] Well, for one, we don’t know. If you
want to get books from the Review and Herald, I

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don’t know how we’re going to get books from the
Review and Herald because the Review and Herald then

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will have to get them from Pacific Press, and I
don’t know how that’s going to work out. If you’re a

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colporteur for the Review and Herald—or with the
Review and Herald—you don’t actually work for them,

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you’re just a literature evangelist with them. You
know, you run things yourself. You don’t... Some may

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work for the conference, but I do not—work for the
publishing house. But I don’t know how we’re going

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to get books. That’s the question. How are we going
to finish the work of the fourth angel? How are we

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even going to do it if we don’t have a publishing
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[Brandon:] Is the colporteur work a very important
work for the last day events or for the last work to

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be done before the National Sunday Law? Is it
something that’s very important?

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[Interviewee:] You know what’s interesting—I read
something recently, and it was saying how that so

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long as probation continues, there’ll be work for
the literature evangelist. And so—while there’s

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probation—but she says that there will not be any
work at some point for the pastors, but there will

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be work for the literature evangelists and it’s my
understanding that there’ll be work for the medical

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missionary. But ministerial ways, in lines, there’s
not going to be work. And so if there’s not a place

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you can get the books, you know, I guess God’s going
to have to raise up another way. I don’t see another

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way around it because the Word of God can’t fail.
She says in a large degree through our publishing

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houses will be accomplished that work, the work of
that other angel which comes down—who comes down

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from heaven with great power and lightens the earth
with his glory. That’s Revelation chapter 18. The

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fourth angel that joins the third angel, much like
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[Brandon:] Now I remember reading a quotation where
she actually says that those who will be actually

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coming into the message would first trace their
first convictions from our literature work.

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[Interviewee:] From my understanding, the literature
work is so important because if you don’t put the

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seed inside the home you can’t gather a harvest of
souls. So if you don’t have people out there who are

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literally knocking on doors, who are out there
giving the seed, the word of truth, preparing the

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people for what’s about to come, I don’t know how
many souls are going to be lost because God’s people

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aren’t able to do the work. That’s really the
frightening thing. That’s the reason why I was

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willing to do the interview. Because it is—these are
eternal issues. They’re not about finances and

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money. You know, all the money in the world is not
worth one soul. I don’t care how rich you are. Money

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is only of value in winning souls. After that, you
know, at the Sunday Law, money’s going to fail for

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us. We’re not going to be able to spend it anyway.
So we need to spend it now. That’s my understanding,

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and I get excited about it only because, you know,
my heart is invested in the work of God.

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[Brandon:] Amen. So tell us more about the Review.
What’s some of the situation that’s leading up to

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its—its—I guess the proper word that they’re using
is absorption into the—

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[Interviewee:] What’s happening is—what’s happening
at the Review—and these are things that you can find

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on-line if you look under Review and
Herald—it’s—actually I could look at—they had a

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press release. One press release said that the
publishing houses are going to be restructuring.

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That was in May of this year, May 12, 2014. And so
they said they set a final vote. So the Review and

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Herald is restructuring, but this restructuring
includes them divesting themselves of their printing

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operation. And so that means they’re not going to be
printing. If you’re not printing, you may be

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publishing but you are not—no longer responsible for
how the books are done. Now that either means that

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we have to do all the publishing at one house, at
the Pacific Press, which again, if you put all your

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eggs in one basket and something happens to that
basket...

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[Brandon:] So it’s almost like the name will still
exist but as far as it being a printing house it’s

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basically shutting down. Because you’re saying the
printing press is basically divesting itself of

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printing presses. If you’re a printing house, you’re
basically divesting yourself from the equipment to

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run a press.

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[Interviewee:] Well, it’s this. If you—if you get
rid of your—I mean—if you’re a carpenter, you’re

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still a carpenter, but if you sell all your tools,
you’re currently not doing carpentry. And somebody

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can come ask you to do some carpentry, and unless
they let you use their tools, you know, you’re a

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carpenter in name only. You’re not a carpenter as
far as it goes in a practical sense. And so we might

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be a publisher, we might have a publishing house, or
you know, a publishing name, and we may actually

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print things, but somebody else will have to do the
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[Brandon:] Where’s the Review moving from. Now it’s
going to divest itself of printing presses. What

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about the actual building? Are they actually going
to move somewhere?

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[Interviewee:] They’re going to close down the
building where they are in Hagerstown, Maryland.

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They’re going to move into an office in Silver
Spring, Maryland at the General Conference. They’re

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going to have a few employees, and that hasn’t been
determined, because these things are still in flux.

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So we don’t know. There are things that still can
change. If they decide not to go along with this

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plan, it would be financial collapse because we
can’t financially maintain it. Things have changed,

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and the church is not supporting it in such a way
that it could keep going and not make money. And so

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it’s a financial decision. And I’m not saying that
there making... I don’t—I don’t propose to know how

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to tell these men how to run the business, I’m just
saying it’s an alarming thing.

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[Brandon:] Tell us about the employees. Is there
many employees that are—are they going to—you said

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maybe a few employees? How’s that going to work?

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[Interviewee:] From my understanding, I read one
place where it says there’s going to be about a

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hundred employees that are going to be losing their
jobs. And maybe it was, you know, I heard some other

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information that it was only about forty employees.
Either way the majority of employees are going to

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lose their jobs. Some are going to get moved over to
Idaho to work for Pacific Press, others are going to

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go to Silver Spring, Maryland where the G.C.
headquarters is, but most of them are going to have

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to find work somewhere else.

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[Brandon:] Okay.

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So, tell us more information that you found, that
you have to share.

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[Interviewee:] The Review and Herald is the oldest
Adventist institution. It existed before the

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denomination ever incorprated or was chartered in
1863. And it was started by the Pacific Press, by

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James White, and so it literally...

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It was Adventism. The publishing from the very
beginning, even during the Millerite time period,

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the work of giving the gospel was in the publishing.
We understand the things that happened with the

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pioneers because of the things they published,
because none of them are here. The word was printed,

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and the word was circulated, and it went to the ends
of the earth. And now, it seems that the word is...

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Somehow things have changed. So, anyway, they’re
going to be saving money, but at what cost? You

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know, really, they’re going to be saving money, but
how many souls are going to have to pay the cost for

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that. But how many have been paying the cost now? I
don’t know, you know, all the ins and outs of their

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business.

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[Brandon:] Now was the Review and Herald—was it—is
it—the General Conference Corporation—is it a entity

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of the General Conference Corporation, or is it like
an independent organization?

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[Interviewee:] Independent organization is a word we
should, it’s a very difficult word whenever you talk

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about the church independent organizations, but the
Review and Herald was its own entity. The publishing

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houses—it’s a part of the church’s work, but it was
its own entity from my understanding unless

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something has changed but it is now being absorbed
into the function. It doesn’t have its own autonomy

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anymore. You know, you can have different parts but
they’re connected, but the Review and Herald had

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autonomy. Even though it had responsibility to the
church, from my understanding it had autonomy. It

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wasn’t—it was a part of the church but it wasn’t
necessarily ran by the church, which is very

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different. Now it’s going to be literally overseen.

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So, there’s other things that can be shared, but
that information, the thing I shared about the

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Pacific Press closing its bookstores... You know,
business-wise, we’re not doing well. And that is a

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sad thing. You know, and so I’m praying that God
would do something for us. We need a revival in the

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publishing work. We need a revival in the church. We
need not programs, but we need God to do some

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changes in our hearts so that we would do what He
says because the end of all things is at hand.

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[Brandon:] Would you feel comfortable sharing the
couple more documentations that you have there?

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[Interviewee:] These are just things that I got like
I said—it’s—these are the documentations. I

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mentioned much of the things, but the Pacific
Press—this is just talking about it was established

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in California in 1874 by James White and it
currently is in Nampa, Idaho. And so the Pacific

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Press, it publishes thirty-five to forty new English
book titles and five to ten Spanish titles.

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It’s—really, it’s going to be the work horse. But
again, the fear is—is what if something happens to

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it. Then, will there be a publishing house that
actually prints books? You know, and like I said,

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there was a fire. In 1902 there was a fire with the
Review. It burned to the ground because of their

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mismanagement. Ellen White said that there was an
angel with a sword with fire above Battle Creek, and

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the angel burned down several institutions including
the sanitarium in February and the Review in

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December of the same year. And then four years
later, the Pacific Press burned down. First there

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was an earthquake—the earthquake of San Francisco—it
was just south of San Francisco at the time. And

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then they had a fire in the building that they
raised up just a little bit later. And they

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recognized it was because of their mismanagement, of
not following God’s directions, that God did not

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bless them. And when they made a firm decision to
change, then they were able to be blessed, and God

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has kept them going since the 1800’s.

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[Brandon:] You know when I think of the publishing
work, James White, when he first started the

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publishing work, what convinced his heart? I
remember reading about a vision or a night dream

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that he saw the publishing work.

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[Interviewee:] Well, the thing that... Ellen White
had a dream. Ellen White had—actually, she had a

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vision. God told her that James needed to publish.
And that he needed to publish to give the truth that

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had come in after 1844, dealing with the Sabbath,
the law of God, the sanctuary, all these different

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things. But then also, it’s called the Review
because—it was the Review and Herald, the Adventist

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Review and Sabbath Herald, because the Review was to
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message from William Miller all the way down to the
1840 to ‘44 time period when God tremendously

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blessed the work, and to—so all the Adventists that
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away, who didn’t go in with them into the Most Holy,
they might be encouraged to come back and to join

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with God, so to go over their course to show that
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still. So that’s why it was called the Adventist
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Sabbath Herald, it was to give the three angels’
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past, and the present, and the future all in one
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[Brandon:] So, with the establishment of the work in
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development of the Review and Herald was at the very
beginning of the work. [Interviewee:] Yes.

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[Brandon:] So at the time now that we see it kind of
closing here, do you personally feel that this could

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be some type of harbinger of some sort, or maybe a
warning to God’s people that we’re facing some

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trying times of some sort?

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[Interviewee:] Listen, if the Adventist Review, or
rather if the Review and Herald can close, what

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institution is left? What institution is not
vulnerable? Loma Linda? Our whole health care

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system? Our churches? Everything is so linked
together. There is no autonomy, no separation that

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if one part gets pulled and falls, all of it can
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So if they can close the Review because of financial
things, what’s to say that next Sabbath there won’t

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be a church? Because if you can close—if it’s like
closing a business, you know there used to be a

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Tower Records. And so they closed a few Tower
Records. If you can close one you may have to close

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all of them, and now try to find a Tower Records.
And that’s a worldly thing, but I’m just saying.

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It’s—if—if we’re not careful, you know... Listen, it
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You know, if the structure doesn’t do what God wants
it to do He can keep moving. He doesn’t need

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structure. He needs people to move. And He will give
them structure just like He did with the Jews of

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old. What happened to the Jews seems to be happening
to us. That’s the scary part. That means that if the

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Messiah comes to us, we may be just as unready as
were the people who heard the first evangelist come,

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at the shepherds who were called into the evangelism
field to go into Jerusalem and tell them that the

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Messiah was born and nobody was willing to hear the
message. Are we willing to hear the message? Are we

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watching the signs of the times? It’s really scary.

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It’s very scary. So you know, that’s pretty much all
that I have, but I really want to

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warn God’s people

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because it’s not about me. I am nobody. It’s about
Christ and His work. And if we’re not doing His

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work, what need does He have of us?

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We’re not like the Jews, we just can’t be born into
this truth. We are Adventists, we’re Protestants.

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And if we’re not protesting like God wants us to
protest, He can call any other denominational

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people—any other—not denominational, but any other
people from any other place in the world and give

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them this truth and send them out. Our heritage is
spiritual. Our heritage is not physical. We’re not

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Adventists by birth. It’s by experience. You know,
we need to be born again, or we’re not His. And I,

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you know, I’m not saying that I’ve arrived. I’m just
saying that we really need to do some heart

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searching to see where we are. Is the Lord visiting
us in judgments in closing our institutions because

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of our disobedience? That’s my question. My question
for me, and my question for my church.

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[Brandon:] Amen. And this interview with my brother
in Christ here, and as we were talking together in

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private, this video came out of a burden that both
of us have to see God’s people to really—to wake up

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to the worldliness that is creeping within our
nation and in our world and more specifically that’s

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been creeping into our church that we love, and it’s
our prayer and it’s our desire that people would—to

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wake up out of the worldly lethargy that society and
we have grown in and to realize that we need to have

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a revival amongst our ranks. Thank you, Brother for
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[Interviewee:] Well, there’s one thing I want to say
before we go. Revelation chapter 3.

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The message to the Laodiceans. Jesus represents
Himself as a colporteur because He’s going from

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house to house as a colporteur and as a medical
missionary, and He says “Behold I stand at the door

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and knock.” But whose house is knocking on? He
wasn’t first knocking on the house of the world. He

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was knocking at the house of the church, and He’s
asking the church “Will you open the door and let Me

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in?” But if the door is so barred with so many
things that are piled up, so many programs that

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accomplish nothing, and so that you are not leaving
your house to go with Him and knock on doors, you’re

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not leaving your house, your just thinking you’re
inside, and you’re satisfied, you’re rich and

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increased in with goods and have need of nothing,

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then Christ will find somebody in the highways and
byways. Jesus is knocking at our door. And He will

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pass us by if we don’t let Him in. But if we
overcome and open the door, He promises to come in.

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And that’s the angel that will give us the glory
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inward change of life.

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[Brandon:] Let’s pray together. Father in heaven, we
pray that You would be with Your people at these

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dark times. Lord, there’s been an attack on
Protestantism. We see that the pope of Rome has

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called for Protestants to disband, to do away with
the Protestant Reformation, and to come back to

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Mother Rome. During this dark time, Lord we see that
our publishing houses are closing at the very time,

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the very hour that we need them most to be able to
spread those pamphlets and those papers like the

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leaves of autumn, we are being attacked. Lord, I
pray that You would cause this video to help wake

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people up. Wake people up to realize that we are in
the very last hours before Jesus comes, that we need

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to stand up and be counted, and cry aloud and spare
not, to tell the world and show them the promise of

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the Redeemer and to talk to preach the everlasting
gospel. And we pray, Lord, that You would lay this

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burden upon viewers and that, Lord, You would cause
a great awakening. We thank You for Your goodness,

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and we ask You for Your Spirit to be poured out and
we thank You in Christ’s name. Amen.